What is 090e on Ford 302 engine

ford 302cui V8 more power !?

hello have the ford smallblock 302 in my mustang, i.e. 5.0 liter V8.

he still has his standard from 30 years ago 142hp (I think)! so not really much steam. original 2-way carburetor original spider and fucking manifold etc.

therefore a few questions about increasing performance!

what about manifold I can bid for cheap BUT does the manifold fit with the original camshaft?

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I'm more of an edelbrock fan but still have the holley 4010 lying around that I would like to build on it, here is an example carburetor on ebay:

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what else would be recommended except of course another intake spider?

so if you are bored just write everything I can do with my 5.0l;) but no I have no money for a turbo conversion or something like that;)

love greetings from munich

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You can make a hell of an engine out of a 302. After all, he has had a long racing career in different eras. However, it doesn't even work that way with a few cheaply shot and wildly mixed up ingredients. Without deeper interventions in the engine with other pistons, heads and higher compression as well as a pepped up oil circuit, the whole thing will at most be good for rude drinking habits. To increase performance, the parts should be optimally matched to one another. Incidentally, the 302 is a pure speed motor in prettier form. You should know that when you approach it. This is quite unusual for a US V8.

Read a few books on the subject. There is ample literature on the subject of 302 from guys who know how to do it. The 302 is often used as a basis. Something like "How to hotrod a small block Ford ..."

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Hello,

I am of the opinion that there is no point in changing the carburetor and intake spider, but save the money until you can "nail it down" and either get a stroker kit (if you can install it yourself) or a stroker motor from 302 to 347 cui .

It is precisely these 347 stroker motors that are often offered and also relatively inexpensive. There is, for example, a Swiss Cobra company that keeps offering them on ebay. You could then pick it up on site. I have now only found this provider here.

You can then keep the original engine, who knows what it can be used for.: D.

Greetings Helmut, who was bored. :)

You can make a hell of an engine out of a 302. After all, he has had a long racing career in different eras. However, it doesn't even work that way with a few cheaply shot and wildly mixed up ingredients. Without deeper interventions in the engine with other pistons, heads and higher compression as well as a pepped up oil circuit, the whole thing will at most be good for rude drinking habits. To increase performance, the parts should be optimally matched to one another. Incidentally, the 302 is a pure speed motor in prettier form. You should know that when you approach it. This is quite unusual for a US V8.

Read a few books on the subject. There is ample literature on the subject of 302 from guys who know how to do it. The 302 is often used as a basis. Something like "How to hotrod a small block Ford ..."

Get it at Amazon.com

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Originally written by Al Kamino

Hello,

I am of the opinion that there is no point in exchanging the carburetor and intake spider, but save the money until you can "nail it down" and either get a stroker kit (if you can install it yourself) or a stroker motor from 302 to 347 cui .

It is precisely these 347 stroker motors that are often offered and also relatively inexpensive.

I would convert to a 351C right away, it's more durable than a 347. I also have a 302 machine, with Hedman headers, a Weiand something intake manifold and a 4160 Holley with 600cfm (actually too big for the engine), it works quite well, but it's not a racing machine, but it should never be. If you want real performance, only a Strocker Kit or a motor swap helps, all the other stuff is nice but doesn't really bring much more power. And the carburetor can be built on top of it, but it still brings something in the upper speed range.

What should the manifolds have to do with the camshaft?

somehow reminds me of the 305/350 chevy story: D

4-fold carburetor (of course, properly jetted) and intake would be bad ever ned

then headers + exhaust and later cams / heads possibly pistons

Adjusting the ignition distributor / carburetor / overhauling / jetting correctly does, however, bring a little something

Depending on the rear axle ratio, you can also get a bit of agility out with a ring / pinion change

I would convert it to a 351C right away, it's more durable than a 347. I also have a 302 machine, with Hedman headers, a Weiand something intake manifold and a 4160 Holley with 600cfm (actually too big for the engine), works quite well, but it's not a racing machine, but it should never be. If you want real performance, only a Strocker Kit or a motor swap helps, all the other stuff is nice but doesn't really bring much more power. And the carburetor can be built on top of it, but it still brings something in the upper speed range.

What should the manifolds have to do with the camshaft?

Thank you in advance for the answer I don't want to make a racing machine out of it, but 150hp in the car with such an engine I find a bit underpowered so around 100hp more would not hurt I think! if an easy 2 golf course at the traffic lights makes you feel like it's rather embarrassing;);)

the manifolds have a lot to do with the camshaft if the cam does not fit the manifold you get overlapping of the intake and exhaust times, so you can get less horsepower with a wrong manifold that may cost 5 times as much !!

the lengths of the bends have to match the intake and exhaust times! but maybe someone knows the subject better and lets us share his knowledge;) I'm not a professional either, it's just a logical conclusion.

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I would convert it to a 351C right away, it's more durable than a 347. I also have a 302 machine, with Hedman headers, a Weiand something intake manifold and a 4160 Holley with 600cfm (actually too big for the engine), it works quite well, but it's not a racing machine, but it should never be. If you want real performance, only a Strocker Kit or a motor swap helps, all the other stuff is nice but doesn't really bring much more power. And the carburetor can be built on top of it, but it still brings something in the upper speed range.

What should the manifolds have to do with the camshaft?

Thank you in advance for the answer I don't want to make a racing machine out of it, but 150hp in the car with such an engine I find a bit underpowered so around 100hp more would not hurt I think! if an easy 2 golf course at the traffic lights makes you feel like it's rather embarrassing

the manifolds have a lot to do with the camshaft if the cam does not fit the manifold you get overlapping of the intake and exhaust times, so you can get less horsepower with a wrong manifold that may cost 5 times as much !!

the lengths of the bends have to match the intake and exhaust times! but maybe someone is more familiar with the subject and lets us share their knowledge am not a professional either, it is just a logical conclusion.

The interplay between the manifold and the camshaft is not that tragic.

Manifolds (if they are tuned in general) are tuned to a certain speed range, the camshaft should of course also work effectively in this speed range, but it is not that complicated.

Especially since 95% of the manifolds available on the market are not tuned and are therefore only better than series parts but not relevant for the tuning of the speed.

The elbows you have there are so cheap parts, you can replace the cast parts with them, but that doesn't do much good.

I wouldn't use a stroker either, or a 351.

- A stroker is problematic in the 302 block because the deck is extremely flat at 8.2 ".

In addition, stroking itself does not perform well, it is more costly.

- A 351W is much larger and heavier than a 302, which negatively affects weight distribution and makes the Mustang more cumbersome.

The 302 is a very good engine, not to be compared with the 305 Chevy core scrap.

It has a reasonable 4 "bore and 3" very little stroke.

The connecting rods have a good length so that the piston accelerations and lateral forces remain low.

You can get real 250PS out of the engine simply by installing different heads and a more modern camshaft, but nothing extreme.

In addition a 4-way bridge and carburetor.

Changing cheap add-on parts alone is almost useless.

The most ingenious is a 302 aluminum block with a 4.1 hole and good Cleveland aluminum heads (so quasi a 302Boss in better),

Such an engine can easily be turned up to 8000 1 / min and with reasonable parts you can reach 100HP per liter.

perfect, thank you so much, one more question occurs to me right away: how high can I turn the normal 302 motor without damaging it?

You hardly need to turn the regular 302 from 1979 over 4500 rpm, everything else is just a waste.

The camshaft depends on countless factors, which cannot be said in general terms without further details.

Better to save a little and then overhaul the engine.

Then you can fine-tune the parts and make a durable, decent engine out of it.

Hey guys,

I've now taken a closer look at my engine 302cui! everything is actually fine except for the carburetor! I followed your advice and will first save a lot of money and then overhaul the entire engine plus an increase in performance!

only after my original 2-fold carburetor can no longer be saved, I thought to myself before I buy an old 2-fold again, I prefer to buy a 4-fold with a new intake spider!

which combination of carburetor and spider is recommended? 600cfm should be enough right?

thanks

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Originally written by julemming

which combination of carburetor and spider is recommended? 600cfm should be enough right?

I don't even start with an 850 DP. : D

Seriously, the 600 is already too big, a 302 factory had a 4-fold with 390cfm on it (at least with the Mustang). 450-500 should be enough ten times. I prefer Holley, some others like precious scrap, everyone should know for themselves. In combination with a Weiand (which is also Holley) intake manifold quite ok and not too expensive, it's not a racing machine.